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Sunday, May 29, 2005

BBC Article On French Referendum

The French are voting today on the proposed EU Constitution, and most people expect it to be rejected. Next week the Dutch will vote in a non-binding referendum. This BBC article on the referendum has a lot of interesting comments from those of different countries:
I don't get why France, Germany... should accept this Anglo-Saxon model when people in England don't even seem to want to join us in the first place. We should continue our way, if England likes it, they're more than welcome to join us but we should not accept whatever comes from 'across the English Channel'. It may be fine for you, not for us.(Spanish lives in Paris)
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I believe that if the French people vote no, that they will be disappointing all of Europe, and Europe will not benefit from a no vote. The French people need to see beyond perhaps losing all the social benefits they have gained. (Canadian)
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What I fear is that if France vote non, other European countries will criticize us, and use this against us for decades. After all, it has become a tradition in UK and new Europe to disregard France whatever we do, that's probably why nobody noticed the certain "no" vote in the Netherlands, because it's easier to criticize France. Even if France is one of the main founding members, French must be the most hated people in Europe. That's perhaps why so many want to vote "no" here. It seems that nobody in Europe shares our dreams of Europe. We somehow feel excluded from what has become the new EU, and I'm not sure if it's a good thing for us to continue the European Adventure. In the end, it's a very costly adventure.(French)
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I really hope that France will send a clear NO. This constitution is based on competitiveness, concurrence and social dumping, not on collaboration, fraternity and democratic control of institutions. The constitution issue just puts money before people. But I understand that the "French social model" where you live to enjoy time, and don't lose your life while earning it may sound odd to Anglo-Saxons. After all, an economy where the highest income comes from the stock exchange and not daily work and where 20% of the people are under the poverty level is perhaps your definition of a modern society. But it is not mine, and I'm convinced that next Sunday, France will lead the path toward an alternative.(French)
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Some of the arguments the yes camp uses are mind-boggling. They suggest that if we vote no there will be economic crises or perhaps a repeat of the holocaust (yes that was actually suggested here in Holland, twice even). We do not need a constitutional treaty, the EU has gone far beyond what it was supposed to be. European unity cannot be mandated from above by politicians. And even if you would favour a constitutional treaty, then certainly not this Franco-German power-grab, because let's face it, that's what it is. The voting powers in the council of Europe give large nations with their larger population an easy task to block proposals. (Dutch)
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I hope the French vote no, but everyone else votes yes. Then we can kick them of the EU, saving billions for the remaining countries currently spent propping-up French agriculture. (English)
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Personally I feel that the implications of either a Yes or a No vote, have not been very adequately explained to the average man in the street. I also notice that there are huge Non signs everywhere you look, but very few Oui signs. I also am not sure where or when voting takes place, so the event seems to have handled in a rather low-key manner considering its importance.(English writing from France, I believe.)
and:
I will vote NON. Non to Islamism, Non to Turkey.(French)
Hmm. I think the joy of being European lessened with the introduction of the Euro.


Comments:
Personally, I believe the whole EU thing was an execise in intellectual gymnastics.

The EU divisions (Greece/Turkey and France/Germany, for example, as real as they ever were.

Couple that with the Poles and Czechs that actually want to work (and they work harder and for less) and you have an exercise in a 'Pan Europe' that is no more than slight of hand.

Wait till Airbus figures out they can get a bigger bang for the buck building in Poland. Think that isn;t so? Audi has already built an engine factory in Hungary, with mor eto follow.

By the way, great posts- all of em.
 
SC&A - yes. "Intellectual gymnastics" is an excellent characterization. The splits are becoming obvious. Most of it is due to economic competition. The more socialist countries seem angrier at the newer entries.

Thanks - I live to serve!
 
The former socialist countries know what a disaster socialism is for economics.

My ex father in law was a lawyer/economist in a communist country (he was quite well known and rspected). He used to joke about his lack of knowledge about real markets- "What the hell does a communist or socialist know about economics?' he'd always ask.

The newer entries into the EU understand what a highly centralized economy is. Further, those counries 'took care' of their workers because that was a lot easier than making them compete in the market place.

Giving them vacations, low expectations and easy working conditions kept toilet paper shortages bearable.
 
And these countries need everything. They don't have the same infrastructure. Unless they are allowed to compete with what they do have, they won't be able to modernize. France has the right to be the type of nation it wants to be, but so does Poland.
 
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