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Monday, February 27, 2006
Absolutely Crying With Laughter
The Anchoress looks at the latest drive to storm the White House ("we are taking over the White House until they leave. Torture, Occupation, Genocide - Must End Now"). She sums it up:
And Pedro The Quietist stumbled onto the latest meme in LaLa Leftist Land - any pregnancy is an opportunistic parasitical infection! And, as Pedro discovered via a dangerous journey into the alternate Kos Universe, the Kosites seem to believe pregnancy is an anti-female final solution type of conspiracy:
After reading this, Pedro thought:
And he sagely pointed out that we should apparently be more worried about the pregnancy plague than H5N1. Stepping back for a moment of horrified contemplation, Pedro writes on:
I can answer that question. Very, very angry. Working for a living can do all of the above things to a person's body as well. It causes stress diseases, wrinkles and grumpiness. So should we outlaw work next? I have met and read many la-la leftists who want to do exactly that. I ran into one on Howard Dean's website that claimed that having to work for a living was unconstitutional - it restricted his freedom. No lie.
I hope these types of hysterics won't control any debate. I doubt that it is easy for the state to regulate abortion well and rationally, because forcing a woman to continue a pregnancy that will probably kill her is not going to become law, and it is very, very difficult medically to know what will happen in many circumstances. From a woman's point of view, it is quite impressive if there are only 500 pregnancy-related deaths a year. Something is working incredibly well in our health system.
I am sorry. Life always was and always will be a risky proposition. There is a place for allowing freedom and controlling risks, but when one pushes that to the point of claiming that stretch marks are a fundamental violation of human rights, we have left the galaxy and are voyaging where no sane man has ever voyaged before. Or woman.
As a woman I think South Dakota is pretty much deranged. But darn it, the other side of the debate is more deranged. Because what it comes down to is that a baby is more of a life-altering hassle than a fetus. And that's where dear, dear Peter Singer steps in. Kid irritating you? Whack 'em!
Short-sighted utilitarianism is no more rational than Jonestown turned out to be. The "greatest good for the greatest number" depends on who you include in the "greatest number". Those nasty opportunistic parasitical infections we used to call "babies" might be included as well, if we were rational. But we're not.
Wow, let’s go storm the Dean’s office at Columbia! We’re going to put daisies in our genitals and levitate the Pentagon, too, because it is always 1968 in our world!
And Pedro The Quietist stumbled onto the latest meme in LaLa Leftist Land - any pregnancy is an opportunistic parasitical infection! And, as Pedro discovered via a dangerous journey into the alternate Kos Universe, the Kosites seem to believe pregnancy is an anti-female final solution type of conspiracy:
All of these complications can be exacerbated by a pre-existing condition. Some of these complications can be life-altering and last a lifetime. Appearance - It is tough, if not impossible, for a woman's body to be as tight and firm as it was prior to the pregnancy. This is true of her abs, her butt, her breasts and her vagina. On top of that,she may also have hair loss, acne, stretch marks, rashes, varicose veins, and a scar from a c-section.
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Death - According to the CDC, there are between 300 - 500 pregnancy-related deaths per year in the US.
After reading this, Pedro thought:
My choice for Constitutional Amendment #28: the State should preserve the woman's right to have a hot, tight, and firm body forever.
And he sagely pointed out that we should apparently be more worried about the pregnancy plague than H5N1. Stepping back for a moment of horrified contemplation, Pedro writes on:
...the leftist position is so fundamentally at odds with the natural laws governing nature. The first woman is pissed off that women are the ones that get pregnant. The second guy is pissed off because he doesn't understand that pregnancy is not a random and unpredictable event.This is why leftists are so damn angry all the time. The world offends them. They have a vision of how things should be that is simply impossible given the fundamental constitution of existence. This is not along the lines of "there should be more regulation" or "women should be given more time off after pregnancy", but rather of how the natural world functions: they are actually pissed off that females give birth and that pregnancy results from sex. I feel sorry for them; imagine if the fact that the sky is blue was deeply offensive to you; how angry would you be all day every day?
I can answer that question. Very, very angry. Working for a living can do all of the above things to a person's body as well. It causes stress diseases, wrinkles and grumpiness. So should we outlaw work next? I have met and read many la-la leftists who want to do exactly that. I ran into one on Howard Dean's website that claimed that having to work for a living was unconstitutional - it restricted his freedom. No lie.
I hope these types of hysterics won't control any debate. I doubt that it is easy for the state to regulate abortion well and rationally, because forcing a woman to continue a pregnancy that will probably kill her is not going to become law, and it is very, very difficult medically to know what will happen in many circumstances. From a woman's point of view, it is quite impressive if there are only 500 pregnancy-related deaths a year. Something is working incredibly well in our health system.
I am sorry. Life always was and always will be a risky proposition. There is a place for allowing freedom and controlling risks, but when one pushes that to the point of claiming that stretch marks are a fundamental violation of human rights, we have left the galaxy and are voyaging where no sane man has ever voyaged before. Or woman.
As a woman I think South Dakota is pretty much deranged. But darn it, the other side of the debate is more deranged. Because what it comes down to is that a baby is more of a life-altering hassle than a fetus. And that's where dear, dear Peter Singer steps in. Kid irritating you? Whack 'em!
Short-sighted utilitarianism is no more rational than Jonestown turned out to be. The "greatest good for the greatest number" depends on who you include in the "greatest number". Those nasty opportunistic parasitical infections we used to call "babies" might be included as well, if we were rational. But we're not.
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Too funny! Pedro must know some of the people I know. I have one feminist friend who is vastly offended that women have more complicated hygeine issues than men, thanks to their periods! She thinks it's so unfair that it merits discussion at parties.
Not at MY parties...but a few barbeques we went to last summer got pre-tty graphic.
Not at MY parties...but a few barbeques we went to last summer got pre-tty graphic.
# posted by 
: 1:24 PM
: 1:24 PM
Gross! Thankfully no one like that comes to my parties...sheesh. My sister used to be like that about pregnancy before she met her and married her second husband. Now she finally admitted all that was really based on her fear of giving birth. It took me giving birth to two beautiful children for her to really change her mind. If her little sister can do it and survive, so can she. I think with a lot of these people, these opinions have an undercurrent of fear.
# posted by : 6:46 AM
: 6:46 AM
A "Friend" of mine is mad as hell about the South Dakota thing. Not for any of the talking point reasons, but because he foresees (unnecessarily) dire consequences if this view of abortion becomes widespread. I quote:
"Do you really think that criminalizing abortion will do anything positive? Consider that you're gonna go back to forcing desperate women to seek underground docs to pull out the fetus in unsupervised, possibly unsanitary conditions. It will reinstate the black market for illegal abortions, which will in turn allow any jerk with a rusty coathanger and a fake diploma to charge whatever he feels like for his 'services.'"
He has a point. We've criminalized a lot of substances (alcohol, Schedule I drugs) and actions in this country, but that doesn't stop people from abusing drugs or committing felonies. Prohibition didn't stop people from drinking; they just went down some back alley and found a place that'd serve them. Overturning Roe v. Wade will do the same for a lot of desperate women who are dumb enough to want to endanger their health: they'll just go down some back alley and find a "doctor" who'll serve them.
"Do you really think that criminalizing abortion will do anything positive? Consider that you're gonna go back to forcing desperate women to seek underground docs to pull out the fetus in unsupervised, possibly unsanitary conditions. It will reinstate the black market for illegal abortions, which will in turn allow any jerk with a rusty coathanger and a fake diploma to charge whatever he feels like for his 'services.'"
He has a point. We've criminalized a lot of substances (alcohol, Schedule I drugs) and actions in this country, but that doesn't stop people from abusing drugs or committing felonies. Prohibition didn't stop people from drinking; they just went down some back alley and found a place that'd serve them. Overturning Roe v. Wade will do the same for a lot of desperate women who are dumb enough to want to endanger their health: they'll just go down some back alley and find a "doctor" who'll serve them.
# posted by : 1:57 PM
: 1:57 PM
Anchoress - Yes, I know some of the same types.
Anon - 2nd.
I don't think SD's approach is likely to work either. Not in practice. However I also question whether the legalization of RU-### doesn't effectively negate the ability of a state to regulate abortions. I have no idea how all this is going to play out. I stand by the idea that changes in our thinking usually are far more effective at preventing damage than changes in our law. To some extent, the Roe decision short-circuited the actual debate in the US. Perhaps this will change, but I don't think the SC is going to move away much from their health grounding for legalized abortion. Nor do I expect them to narrow their definition of health very much. I think that is precisely why the meme of pregnancy as a disease is spreading so quickly.
I do have some real concerns about thirteen year-olds being taken by their nineteen year-old boyfriends for abortions, I can tell you that.
With the rise of mandatory and nationally enforced child-support payments, we must face the fact that we have presented a huge incentive to men or the families of boys to pressure a girl to have abortions. Most abortions don't fall in that category. But a lot of damage can occur for those that do.
And - to look further at your point - a change in abortion law doesn't remove that incentive at all, does it? So now we are faced with the idea that quite young girls may be hauled off for the back-alley treatment.
Anon - 2nd.
I don't think SD's approach is likely to work either. Not in practice. However I also question whether the legalization of RU-### doesn't effectively negate the ability of a state to regulate abortions. I have no idea how all this is going to play out. I stand by the idea that changes in our thinking usually are far more effective at preventing damage than changes in our law. To some extent, the Roe decision short-circuited the actual debate in the US. Perhaps this will change, but I don't think the SC is going to move away much from their health grounding for legalized abortion. Nor do I expect them to narrow their definition of health very much. I think that is precisely why the meme of pregnancy as a disease is spreading so quickly.
I do have some real concerns about thirteen year-olds being taken by their nineteen year-old boyfriends for abortions, I can tell you that.
With the rise of mandatory and nationally enforced child-support payments, we must face the fact that we have presented a huge incentive to men or the families of boys to pressure a girl to have abortions. Most abortions don't fall in that category. But a lot of damage can occur for those that do.
And - to look further at your point - a change in abortion law doesn't remove that incentive at all, does it? So now we are faced with the idea that quite young girls may be hauled off for the back-alley treatment.
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