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Monday, July 31, 2006

Is This A Dream, Or A Nightmare?

I figure that by the time Haq of Seattle gets to jury selection, he'll be a revolutionary hero to the folks at DU. Maybe you think I'm being rude. Oh, no. Betsy Newmark linked to Mary Katherine Ham who has been listening to Airheads America, and DU is much, much worse.

For your horrified perusal, DU's response to the news that Hugo Chavez received Iran's highest honor:
Iran awarded Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez its highest state medal on Sunday for supporting Tehran in its nuclear standoff with the international community, while Chavez urged the world to rise up and defeat the U.S., state-run media in both countries reported.
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad presented Chavez with the Islamic Republic Medal in a ceremony at Tehran University. The award was to show Iran's gratitude for his "support for Iran's stance on the international scene, especially its opposition to a resolution by the International Atomic Energy Agency," Iranian state-run television said.
Chavez wants to put an end to the "US empire", as explained here:
48. Quote
Spanish quote - "Si el imperio estadounidense tiene éxito en consolidar su dominio, entonces no habrá futuro para la Humanidad. Por lo tanto, debemos salvar a la Humanidad y poner fin al Imperio Americano", dijo Chávez a una multitud concentrada en la Universidad de Teherán."

That would be - "If the American empire succeeds in consolidating its power, then there is no future for humanity. Therefore, we must save humanity and put a stop to the American Empire." said Chavez to a crowd at the Univ. of Tehran."
Some hapless DU denizens took slight umbrage at that statement:
21. How long until Chavez calls us the Great Satan? :shrug:
Naturally that called forth a brilliantly intellectual barrage of progressive fervor:
44. He could call a faction here great assholes. n/t
86. A critical post of Chavez
I don't think he's advancing the socialist revolution fast enough, he should be even more radical in his policies. Venezuelan governement should invest more in renewables and mass transit rather than talk about nuclear power, and gas prices should increase gradually to favour the transition.

There is a difference in constructive criticism given in solidarity, and ignorant and fearmongering bourgeois hate mail.

85. God bless Hugo Chavez. He gets smeared everyday, but he still carries on.
You might also take a look at DU supporting the troops in response to this article:
At 17 he enlisted in the Marine Corps, spurred by the memory of 9/11.

Now, 21-year-old Galen Wilson has 20 confirmed kills in four months in Iraq - and another 40 shots that probably killed insurgents. One afternoon the lance corporal downed a man hauling a grenade launcher five-and-a-half football fields away.

Wilson is the designated marksman in a company of Marines based in downtown Ramadi, watching over what Marines call the most dangerous neighborhood in the most dangerous city in the world.
DU predicts a bright future for him:
8. And God help the citizens of Bradenton Florida, when the demons from his Iraq service haunts him, yet the local VA was shut down, he couldn't get his treatment, and all of the sudden, any Cuban, Puerto Rican, African American or other dark skiinned citizen becomes the "Haji"
20. He's actually to be pitied.
Locked up so he can't harm another living soul first, but pitied nonetheless.

This guy's been steeped in the culture of killing since he was five, apparently. IMHO, that kind of upbringing is child-abuse, and maybe even criminal negligence - culpability in creating a killing machine.

I feel sorry for what this kid might have been, and wonder how many more of him will be created before humanity realizes this isn't the way to live in peace.
14. What is the saying on DU
"we don't support the war but we support the troops". At least in this thread there are no hippocrates. If you don't support the war you can't support the troops. This marine is doing his job. At least it sounds like he isn't killing any unarmed civilians.
30. I don't support thugs like this or the system that glorifies them
This guy will continue to kill one he is removed from Iraq-Nam
39. Sadly, I think that's a definite possibility
And, even more sadly, by the time it's over, there will be scores of thousands of souless killbots just like him trying to "find their niche" in a society that has very limited uses for souless killbots.
44. They will use truncheons to beat the black man to death On the streets of amerika
That's some impressive level of support for the troops there. I think we should all be honest about this and admit that we have a genuine, all-out, no-holds-barred culture war going on ourselves. The consensus seemed to be that this marine is a much greater danger to America than Hezbollah, and should be locked up the moment he gets home. Meanwhile, in a thread right above this one about the Gitmo detainees attacking the guards, their sympathy is entirely with the detainees:
5. dehumanize much?
12. Right...
They are supposed to just sit there while they are held with no charges for decades, right?
Those evil terrorists! They don't even deserve a fair trial or due process, after all they are not regular human beings like all of us, huh?
8. Well, that is certainly well reasoned.
I'm impressed to be so quickly elevated in my understanding. I had NO IDEA that all "enemy combatants were such filthy and uncultured THEMS.

And I'm impressed you would not only be satisfied to be left a Bible and a rosary in the place of habeus corpus, the right to a speedy trial, and subject to violations of international law BUT also that you'd be able dropped into the elements and still have the strength to attack.

Wow. Just WOW! I sure as hell hope you aren't a pet owner.
Seriously, the consensus on DU seems to be that the Marines should be locked up without trial and the jihadis should be released with an apology for human rights violations.

PS: DU is still
better than France:
Iran is a significant, respected player in the Middle East which is playing a stabilising role, French Foreign Minister Philippe Douste-Blazy said on Monday.
"In the region there is of course a country such as Iran -- a great country, a great people and a great civilisation which is respected and which plays a stabilising role in the region," he told a news conference.
I think the "great civilization" just executed a few more young'uns, didn't it? You've got to admire the progressive way in which they take care of their teeny boppers over there. Bury them up to the chest and then stone them to death.

No wonder France is banning nude sunbathing! They're aspiring to the values of the great and stabilizing civilization. Just wait until they remove all those feeelthy pictures from the Louvre. When I think of my great-grandfather painting nudes over there, I'm awed at how far they've come. I can only imagine of how far they have yet to go.... No one, no one, will be able to cut and wear burqas with the sheer elegance and style of the French.

You must admit, Frenchmen carry off this eunuch schtick with a joi de vive that's an awesome sight to us here down in the benighted south. I don't know even one southern man who would smile, bow, and say thank you in response to the gift of his own severed family jewels on a platter. We're just too uncivilized to carry it off.

I think I'm going off to read MEMRI. Sweet dreams!.


The inmates are running the asylum- and looking to Hugo Chavez for inspiration.

I may revisit my views on forced sterilization.
When I was still in the military I got the feeling there was a huge disconnect between service members at the society we were there to defend. I've since discovered it isn't the entire society, but that the rift with many is far greater than I envisioned.

That and I don't have a clue what to do about, there seems to be no interest in any sort of acknowledgment of reasonable opposing viewpoints.
SC&A, it's too late. Most of these people have already swum upstream and spawned.

Tommy, I think that's why I'm so uneasy about this. I don't see any basis for discussion. The worldview that thinks the Marines should be imprisoned for life when they rotate out from Baghdad and that the Gitmo detainees must of course be released is not a debatable one. It does not respect reason, but passion.
Persia, now called Iran, HAS a culture and history that is thousands of years old. Much of their past has been a dictatorship of one kind or another and they have always been trouble for their neighbors.
Howard - I know. But that's like presenting a toast at Napoleon's grave celebrating his current stabilizing influence on world affairs. It just doesn't jibe.
See how Allah prepares the Infidel to fall before the Might of Islam?
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