Tuesday, November 14, 2006
DU On Murtha
One feels sorry for them. DU discusses Pelosi's endorsement of Murtha for Majority Leader and CREW's criticism of that choice:
I think we should be spending more time on the primaries; the Congressional system seems to reward and insulate incumbents who are ethically challenged.
Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) questioned soon-to-be House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s (D-CA) commitment to eradicating corruption with her endorsement of one of the most unethical members in Congress, Rep. John Murtha (D-PA), to be Majority Leader of the House of Representatives.Welcome to the real world. The problem for both parties and the American population is that we have a lot of unethical people in Congress, and that the one thing the movers and shakers of both parties fail to do is censure them in any meaningful way. What was the one example of GOP/Dem cooperation in Congress we had last year? The leaders of both parties were outraged that a subpoena issued by a judge was executed against Jefferson's office. The leaders of both parties love pork, and the leaders of both parties seem to want to be above the law. We've got reason to sigh.
Rep. Murtha was listed in CREW’s report Beyond DeLay: The 20 Most Corrupt Members of Congress (and five to watch). As reported in the study and by the news media, Rep. Murtha has been involved in a number of pay-to play schemes involving former staffers and his brother, Robert “Kit” Murtha. Eight incumbents in CREW’s report lost their races to ethics issues.
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1. If this is true, Murtha is the wong person to be Majority Leader.
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4. It is true. But the big hole here is if Pelosi came out and endorsed Hoyer, CREW would have written just as bad a critique on Hoyer.
Both Murtha and Hoyer are dirty.
But they are the only two choices Pelosi has.
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6. So much for us being the clean team. Sigh.
I think we should be spending more time on the primaries; the Congressional system seems to reward and insulate incumbents who are ethically challenged.
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Now that Peeeloshi has came into the public eye people have looked a little deeper. Guess what the Peeeloshi family is as dirty as any criminals in the country. Their wealth didn't come from honest work or business practices. So, looks like the dim's don't have an honest person to put in any position.
There are honest ones; Sanford Bishop from GA is honest (I know of him because he's local). I think Graham of FL is supposed to be honest.
Maybe the honest ones don't have as much influence because they have less money to hand out?
Maybe the honest ones don't have as much influence because they have less money to hand out?
think we should be spending more time on the primaries; the Congressional system seems to reward and insulate incumbents who are ethically challenged.
Problem is (at least here in CA), primary elections are within The Party and general elections are before the entire electorate. To win a primary, you have to appeal to Party Members (including the Soviet defintion of the term).
This results in primaries selecting the biggest extremists (who appeal to True Believers and Party Faithful), who then have to reposition themselves to the center to win the general election. Since with CA's one-party districts, a primary winner automatically wins the general, what you get is More Ideologically Pure Than Thou winning both the primary and the general. (Party Purity, Party Ideology, The Party, The Party, The Party, The Party, The Party...)
For a couple election cycles, CA experimented with open primaries (not limited to Party Members), but this opened up its own can of worms -- Party Faithful voting for the other party's least-electable candidate (i.e. "sewing up a Dole") to fix the general election at primary time.
Problem is (at least here in CA), primary elections are within The Party and general elections are before the entire electorate. To win a primary, you have to appeal to Party Members (including the Soviet defintion of the term).
This results in primaries selecting the biggest extremists (who appeal to True Believers and Party Faithful), who then have to reposition themselves to the center to win the general election. Since with CA's one-party districts, a primary winner automatically wins the general, what you get is More Ideologically Pure Than Thou winning both the primary and the general. (Party Purity, Party Ideology, The Party, The Party, The Party, The Party, The Party...)
For a couple election cycles, CA experimented with open primaries (not limited to Party Members), but this opened up its own can of worms -- Party Faithful voting for the other party's least-electable candidate (i.e. "sewing up a Dole") to fix the general election at primary time.
Kookarama strikes again!
(Plug: Kooks: A Guide to the Outer Limits of Human Belief, Donna Kossy, Feral House Press)
(Plug: Kooks: A Guide to the Outer Limits of Human Belief, Donna Kossy, Feral House Press)
Wake up everybody! Pelosi backs the extreme left darling, Murtha. This makes it look to her leftist base that she ain't selling out. She then releases all the dirt on Murtha to the usual suspects so that his failings become public. Now she can move to the center without looking like she sold out. She ain't at the top of the dumb list; Murtha has that one locked up.
Howard - very possible. In any case, backing Murtha didn't hurt her, did it?
pvnam, that's a fascinating blog you have there. Old-fashioned racism made even more whacky.... Ah, if people were lemurs or polar bears, I suppose banning emigration would have a purpose. But in fact, since all the races have pretty much been run all over the planet by natural climate change, etc, and since we can observe for ourselves that human beings of various ethnicities can thrive anywhere, YOU MAKE NO SENSE.
You must have been reading Israel Shamir, right? He also is pushing that crap. It's straight from the Nazi approach to the ME countries in the run-up from WWII. If anyone could explain to me how it is that modern socialists ended up allied with so many fascist-terrorists, I'd be grateful.
pvnam, that's a fascinating blog you have there. Old-fashioned racism made even more whacky.... Ah, if people were lemurs or polar bears, I suppose banning emigration would have a purpose. But in fact, since all the races have pretty much been run all over the planet by natural climate change, etc, and since we can observe for ourselves that human beings of various ethnicities can thrive anywhere, YOU MAKE NO SENSE.
You must have been reading Israel Shamir, right? He also is pushing that crap. It's straight from the Nazi approach to the ME countries in the run-up from WWII. If anyone could explain to me how it is that modern socialists ended up allied with so many fascist-terrorists, I'd be grateful.
A wise man once said that Congress is a den of thieves and that a den of thieves only attracts other thieves.
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